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- Subject: Abduction Digest
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- Date: 12 Apr 91 20:38:10 MDT (Fri)
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- Abduction Digest, Number 9
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- Friday, April 12th 1991
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- Today's Topics:
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- Abduction research
- Abduction Research
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- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)
- Subject: Abduction research
- Date: 8 Apr 91 00:20:00 GMT
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- > A recent issue of the Australian and New Zealand Journal of
- > Psychiatry, 1990;
- > 24:561-565, carries a several page article by Terry Heins,
- > Allison Gray and Maxine Tennant titled "Persisting
- > hallucinations following childhood sexual abuse." Thery
- > describe work by an American, Ellenson, who interviewed
- > female incest survivors. "Careful mental state examinations
- > found that all showed a post-incest syndrome involving
- > specific disturbances in thought (certain types of
- > nightmares, obsessions, dissociative experiences and phobias)
- > and in perception (certain types of illusions and visual and
- > auditory hallucinations)."..."Commonest were shadowy figures,
- > movements in peripheral vision, intruder sounds...and inner
- > helper voices..." I see some parallels with abductees here.
- > As you may be aware Bob Bartholomew
- > and I have drawn researchers attention to the possible link
- > between
- > fantasy-prone personality, abductees and childhood abuse.
- > The line of
- > thinking would go: could lifelong abductions actually be due
- > to childhood (sexual) abuse (which we believe can trigger
- > multiple personality
- > disorders), causing a fantasy world creation which is then
- > interpreted by UFO researchers as of alien abductions? We
- > have challenged researchers to undertake detailed
- > psychological testing
- > of abductees to test if they are fantasy-prone, and also
- > suggest the checking
- > of their childhood for evidence of sexual abuse. I can
- > supply some references for those interested in further
- > reading on this topic. Comments would be welcome on this
- > matter.
-
- (Due to the nature how arguments start here because people jump to
- conclusions, I will state here I am not trying to invalidate what
- you say.. I just want to see your comments on my comments-)
- This link looks moderately plausible, but fails to explain why in
- such large numbers, with such repetition, people describe the aliens
- as the greys or the blues.. If this link was true, wouldn't such
- "shadows" be of different forms, and not being the exact same
- description of what they greys and the blues look like? How does
- this link explain the missing time, the markings on some people, the
- appearance of surgery in the brain area (when the person has never
- been recorded having such surgery before), and lastly, but not
- least, the other family members who were not abused before but are
- affected by the visitations, also?
- I do not claim that alien abduction does indeed exist, (it would be
- illogical, since I do not have concrete proof of this) but I am very
- concerned at the large numbers (not just 50.. but in the thousands)
- of people coming out reporting abuction, describing the same beings,
- under hypnosis? Hypnosis can yield false results.. but in such a
- large numbers? Wouldn't there be many inconsistiencies?
- I'm open to listen to any information on this subject, though.. I
- am curious about this, and want to know the cause, be it aliens,
- hallucinations, etc.
- Tyson
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- From: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
- Subject: Abduction Research
- Date: 9 Apr 91 18:40:00 GMT
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- > This link looks moderately plausible, but fails to explain why in such
- > large numbers, with such repetition, people describe the aliens as the
- > greys or the blues.. If this link was true, wouldn't such
- > "shadows" be of different forms, and not being the exact same
- > description of what they greys and the blues look like? How does this
- > link explain the missing time, the markings on some people, the
- > appearance of surgery in the brain area (when the person has never been
- > recorded having such surgery before), and lastly, but not least, the
- > other family members who were not abused before but are affected by the
- > visitations, also?
-
- While this all sounds good, the data has been sufficiently withheld as to not
- permit other qualified persons to examine the data relating to the claims that
- you have referenced above. I do not believe that there are really medical
- records to back up some of these rumors, therefore we have a lot of claims
- without representation. Unfortunately, we must take the word of the so-called
- experts to provide us with accurate data. The second part of the problem is
- that it has been found that the field of abduction research has been totally
- polluted by the mass amount of publicity which it has received together with
- complete descriptions of what the "critters" look like. Take for an example,
- an issue of Omni magazine some years back featured an article and questionaire
- by Dr. Bruce Maccabee and Budd Hopkins soliciting possible abductees. I found
- this article to be highly suggestive and would corrupt those answering the
- questionaire, thereby seriously compromising the data. Let us not forget the
- wide distribution that Omni enjoys. Secondly, the nationally televised
- program, "UFO Cover-UP? Live!" aired October, 1988 also highly publicized the
- portrait of what these critters might look like. The problem thusly lies with
- how much of the data is good and how much is totally corrupt?
-
- > I do not claim that alien abduction does indeed exist, (it would be
- > illogical, since I do not have concrete proof of this) but I am very
- > concerned at the large numbers (not just 50.. but in the thousands) of
- > people coming out reporting abuction, describing the same beings, under
- > hypnosis? Hypnosis can yield false results.. but in such a large
- > numbers? Wouldn't there be many inconsistiencies?
- > I'm open to listen to any information on this subject, though.. I am
- > curious about this, and want to know the cause, be it aliens,
- > hallucinations, etc.
-
- This is a very good point, however we do not have sufficient data to determine
- what the norm is for people who might fall under the Fantasy Prone. In a
- studies done with abduction research, it was found that there were striking
- consistencies between non-abductees and abductees in their descriptions of
- what takes place during an abduction experience. There is not enough data to
- answer the why of this yet, but it is being studied.
-
- Mike
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